2001 Jetta 2.o cranks sometimes but won't start

Have a 2001 Jetta 2.0 automatic that some times cranks but will not start. Wait awhile and retry and starts and runs fine. Whats the best way to find this problem. Do I just start throwing a fuel pump relay at it $32 bucks my cost. Could it be the coil pack again. I replaced the coil pack maybe 30,000 miles ago took out the Mexico manufactured coil pack put in the german mfg part. I was getting an engine light, and the OBD II tester at Autozone was reading rich for fuel bank two or something. I mean the dealers around here charge way too much and then don't give you any credit towards the repair labor from the troubleshooting fee. They hook up there VAG tools for five minutes and charge outrageous price 105 for Columbus dealer, 85 dolars for local Lorain dealer. I tried the Vag Com free software could not get it to work with the cable I bought. Anyone have any tips on this problem or how to get one of the generic PC OBD II software programs to run on the VW's? Tired of VW's breaking all the time very unreliable cars. The mexican made VW ones. Wife has a German built 95 Cabrio it hardly has any problems compared to my kids 99 Jetta, 2001 Jetta, and 1998 Beetle. Where to go next on this starting problem any ideas?

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VW,s fun but break too much.

You need to find a way to get it scaned.

but if i had to to take a stab at it will out a scan you need a Engine crank Sensor.

06A 906 433L, Impulse Sender

this is also a problem on some higher milage cars with 2.0L engines

just a possablity would have to know the scan first.

good luck keep us informed what you find

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No way for me to test the output of the crank sensor with just a good old digital volt meter. Your talking about the crank postion sensor is that the same as the Bosch Impulse sender? I would rather throw a part at it then go pay for another overpriced scan. Last problem I had with the car last time I paid for a scan the local dealer said there was nothing wrong with the car, I then paid for another scan then they said it was the right front wheel speed sensor. l replaced the rh front wheel speed sensor replaced sensor problem still there. The car would at slow speed with out skidding throw in the abs brake pulse I think by the time it was figured out the abs unit is about worn out very weak on the pedal pulsing compared to when the car was new. I troubleshot it myself with the volt ohm meter and wire schematic after the dealer said there was nothing wrong. I removed the abs unit ohmed betwwen the abs control base pin sockets out to each weel and flexed the wires. I found a bad wire on right front wheel. When I cut open the wire it looked like half copper and half black corrosion in the wire. I spliced in a chunk of matching wire sealed with silicone after soldering and sealing with two layers of heat shrink no problems since then. I chalked that up to poor manufacturing of the wire abs brake harness in Mexico junk quality again ther was no visible holes in the wire insulation. This 2001 Jetta has been broke more times then I can shake a stick at it. You name about any of the customer concerns for that year it has had them and then some. Thanks for the sugestion I will go see if I can read some pulses off the crank sensor with my trusty volt ohm meter. I would gladly pay thirty bucks for the five minute scan, but the $85 fee and then to be told they found nothing is real hard to swallow. The car has like 72000 miles on it. Thanks again for your insight and knowledge. We need someone with your knowledge at our local VW dealer, all kids that still are learning to do the basics. They have been behind the curve since ever. The local dealer family that owns the VW franchise has never been known for good service or treating their customers fairly. They the dealer family were also a the local Toyota dealership and Toyota took it away from them they had so many complaints.

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Thanks for the Props.

there is know way to check the impulse sensor with DVOM it will test fine for Ohm check they always do.

It Just has a problem when the trigger is being sent to ECM.

Good Luck Keep us informed

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Well the starting problem was scanned as the water temp sensor was bad and the wires to the water temp sensor were bad. What a bunch of crap they charged over 145 dollars labor at the local dealer plus the parts for a known service bulletin problem at Edmunds.com. I was charged $89.95 for the scan what a rip off. After having this done the next problem on any of my four VW's I am buying the Vag-Com software and harness. These guys are real crooks they also said the thermostat was bad. this was going to cost over two hundred dollars to change the thermostat. I told them no thermostat. I got a themorstat at Autozone 7.99 plus $1.00 for the o'ring, even though I think the dealer is full of you know what. After changing the thermostat the car still warms up the same, and displays the exact same water 190 deg. temp after warm. I can not tell customers where to go, but they did me wrong. The dealer said they would credit the scan labor towards changing the temp sensor a five minute job, it is one quick release clip and o-ring, for the repin of the water temp sensor connnector was another five minute job to crimp the two wires to the water temp sensor and push in the new pins. Find a VW mechanic anywhere other then the dealer on the West Side of Cleveland, OH. The water temp sensor shows as a known problem at the Edmunds.com web site Technical Service Buletin page for year 2001 Jetta. This dealer is real bad for customer fairness in my opinion. Guys and gals throw your own parts at the car rather then roll into this outfit. I also had a door lock replaced, Alldatadiy.com book shows under two hours to change the door lock they charged me for three hours. That is the way this dealer rolls. Then they put down some wax and buff which I did not order, then said they refunded it after they put tax on top of this wash and wax $119. I feel like I should go to the Better Business and file a complaint on these guys. I am an aircraft mechanic and I have tools so when they tell me the car needs something I know is good and I can test it like the thermostat they said was bad I have grounds for a law suit for fraud charges against dealers lieing like this. I am not done with my complaints on this dealer. I know what I am talking about on maintenance and mad as hell. Volkswagen of America you have a real problem here in my opinion. Car was showing no engine light with this problem for those of you chasing the same problem.

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Sorry you went through that crap as you have now just been bent over and $%^$ you can see why I have left that life that is the way they most are.

I'm glad you got your problem fixed I beleive from what you have posted.

I give you a little info about the T-stat.

when the car worms up it is looking at temp The program knows how long it take for the t-stat to open if it takes to long or snaps open it will throw a DTC for P2181 witch is cooling system perfromance malfunction.

Thanks for the info About what has your dealing with the dealer.

good luck with you and your DUB

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Well the dealer is trying to come clean. They sent me an email that they would refund the car wash 128 bucks after tax. I have not seen the money yet. I will keep you posted. Then today when I got home I had a phone call from the dealer saying to call them if I had any problems. I called them already immediately after getting there email about the refund for the none ordered car wash and the rep from the dealer was not in or not man enough to pick up his phone, I left a message on his phone to send me the check he promised for the none ordered car wash. I called on my dime it is there turn to cough up the check they promised for the non ordered car wash. The original service rep I talked to that scheduled the car service call seems like a square shooter. Then some other guy I have seen at the dealership who I can not say is a nice the guy nor has he any manors, or even control of his swear words when customers around, I would fire the guy my self for what I have seen, he was the one who out of nowhere called me and jumped into the service on my Jetta. I don't know about this but unless my original service rep is out for sickness or off to a funeral I want nothing to do with a new service rep. I picked the other service rep from other questions I have fired at him and gotten straight answers and no bull. To the orignial sevice rep I would buy him a coffee any day, to the other guy I would not kick him in the you know what it would be a waste of my energy. VW will call on this service call and they will get my factual views on the second service rep at this dealership. Seems like he should be in the car sales department for the tactics he pulls. I should of recorded the phone call then let him squirm on his tall tale of me being told about a 125 car wash and wax. I work only ten minutes away if I had heard this malarky I would of yanked the car out of there before they could say where did this guy come from. I would of been there in a flash and taken the car. Some dealerships hold on to these poor service reps when they should of let them go long ago. I have told this dealership I paint whole cars as a side hobby so I know how to take care of a car finish and then some, so for them to claim I knew about a wash and wax of this cost is and out and out lie. Give that service rep a lie detector test and if he wants I will take one against him any day of the week. Tell the truth all the time is my motto. My next letter will be to the owner about this malarkey. It will be factual with all the names and dates and he can take care of his problem child.

we need more people like you to help show VW taht there service departments need real help.

thanks for the update on your concerns.

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Well the Cleveland Westside VW dealer came clean and returned the money for the none ordered car wash detailing. My Question is how many customers are getting this 125 dollar car wash detail in their bill just like I did and were never informed of it. I was only informed of it when I complained and said the labor was out of order. I am going to go file a complaint witt the state attorney general or the local county prosecutors office. This dealership definitley did not tell me anything about this outrageous car wash and detailing. I am going to ask the state attorney general to look into the sales practices at this dealership. The last time I saw a dealership do deceptive fraudulent sales tactics like this the state attorney general or the local prosecutor oneof them took the dealership to court and ordered the dealership to repay so many years of their new car sales customers something like on the order of over a hundred dollars per customer. They the local fraudulent Chrysler dealership years ago was charging for washing and prep of new cars and also putting in cheap floor mats from a local disocunt store and charging some exorbatant fee for the floor mats on all new car customers for several years before someone questioned the extra fees on their car purchase. Federal law makes the prep of new cars part of the dealerships cost not the new purchaser. This local Cleveland Westside VW dealer did fix the Jetta start problem so they are good for something, but you have to watch their service managers like a hawk unfortunately. Question and ask for the bills total hours billed when done and their hourly rate. Then add the bill several times at this dealership or they will get unearned money's. Too bad these guys are not honest. Sad

hey Glad you got your funds Back.
Very Happy

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